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	<title>Comments on: Radical Hospitality &amp; Incarnational Mission in Suburbia</title>
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		<title>By: Roundup From Around The Web: Extreme! :) &#171; Coffee Klatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roundup From Around The Web: Extreme! :) &#171; Coffee Klatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In this post an introvert wonders about hospitality and what radical hospitality should look like. “I wonder if stretching myself in this area is good discipline, or if it is actually being untrue to the person I am? Is it more genuine to just let my friends know that I am introvert who enjoys their company, but needs to get away, or should I look at pushing thru this and learning how to live in a different way, while still being who I am?” The comments here are also really interesting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In this post an introvert wonders about hospitality and what radical hospitality should look like. “I wonder if stretching myself in this area is good discipline, or if it is actually being untrue to the person I am? Is it more genuine to just let my friends know that I am introvert who enjoys their company, but needs to get away, or should I look at pushing thru this and learning how to live in a different way, while still being who I am?” The comments here are also really interesting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Toddy</title>
		<link>http://www.backyardmissionary.com/2008/02/radical-hospitality-incarnational-mission.html/comment-page-1#comment-118642</link>
		<dc:creator>Toddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prescriptions are dangerous.
You gotta do what you can with what you&#039;ve got and with who you are. 

That includes looking after the needs (for loud or quiet) of a spouse and the relational needs of kids at different stages of development.

Hospitality with people you don&#039;t know well is always more intensive ie, yo gotta do more to construct the space, conversation, the time that will be spent etc.  With people you know really well, all things being equal, they&#039;ll get up at some point and make themselves a cuppa instead of waiting for you to make it - it&#039;s at that point that the house is literally a shared space. 

Different reasons to do different stuff with different people.

Does it have to be this hard?  I wonder why it is?  Are we too busy looking for THE answer to a question with multiple answers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescriptions are dangerous.<br />
You gotta do what you can with what you&#8217;ve got and with who you are. </p>
<p>That includes looking after the needs (for loud or quiet) of a spouse and the relational needs of kids at different stages of development.</p>
<p>Hospitality with people you don&#8217;t know well is always more intensive ie, yo gotta do more to construct the space, conversation, the time that will be spent etc.  With people you know really well, all things being equal, they&#8217;ll get up at some point and make themselves a cuppa instead of waiting for you to make it &#8211; it&#8217;s at that point that the house is literally a shared space. </p>
<p>Different reasons to do different stuff with different people.</p>
<p>Does it have to be this hard?  I wonder why it is?  Are we too busy looking for THE answer to a question with multiple answers?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve coached footy with a guy for a few years now, he&#039;s not from any church or anything close to it. Dave and His wife are incredible hosts and extremely inviting and hospitable and caring without being perfect in any way. Now and then I&#039;ll drop in and they&#039;ll be more than pleased to see myself or the family and offer us a drink etc. The interesting thing is that often when we go there other people, either adults or kids will come and go through that house and it&#039;s as if it&#039;s not just theirs, it&#039;s for anyone to enjoy. 
Through this family I have seen how real community can work and where you can see a community of &#039;meeting together constantly and sharing everything they had&#039; types of things happening.
I think we probably have become too possessive of our stuff, our lifestyle, our space in Australia to the detriment of true community and possibly to seeing true Christlike character in the flesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve coached footy with a guy for a few years now, he&#8217;s not from any church or anything close to it. Dave and His wife are incredible hosts and extremely inviting and hospitable and caring without being perfect in any way. Now and then I&#8217;ll drop in and they&#8217;ll be more than pleased to see myself or the family and offer us a drink etc. The interesting thing is that often when we go there other people, either adults or kids will come and go through that house and it&#8217;s as if it&#8217;s not just theirs, it&#8217;s for anyone to enjoy.<br />
Through this family I have seen how real community can work and where you can see a community of &#8216;meeting together constantly and sharing everything they had&#8217; types of things happening.<br />
I think we probably have become too possessive of our stuff, our lifestyle, our space in Australia to the detriment of true community and possibly to seeing true Christlike character in the flesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie Bergsma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie Bergsma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! How funny - the gig with the chocolate is a perfect example of &#039;welcome but ignored!&#039;. 

Thanks heaps, luv ya

;-) :-) ;-) ;-) (got the hang of it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! How funny &#8211; the gig with the chocolate is a perfect example of &#8216;welcome but ignored!&#8217;. </p>
<p>Thanks heaps, luv ya</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (got the hang of it!)</p>
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		<title>By: otherendup</title>
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		<dc:creator>otherendup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allie said, &quot;...the reason I am interested is because at the end of last year I said to Glenn “Can we not have people over every night of the week next year? My energy levels and our bank account can’t maintain this”

We certainly don&#039;t invite people over every night, but our home is open for people to come over every night. Although we do have people living with us (and have created an alternative space for them to use as they see fit), we are not actively seeking to fill our space with people at all times. What are doing however, is seeking to maintain a space with an atmosphere of humility, authenticity, joy, celebration.... ultimately a space where the peace of God reigns.

Now, as you know, any space with young kids will often present more as a place of chaos and constant noise (until bedtime anyway ;-) ) But, this is where the &quot;don&#039;t expect me to be perfect&quot; value comes in. We are who we are, and you are welcome to be who you right alongside us, if you should choose to do so.

The way we try to maintain/protect such a space is two fold:
1. We can only truly love others to the degree that we truly love ourselves. Therefore, centering on God and his love for us allows us to better love ourselves and others, as well as being in a position to receive love from others.

2. We can only offer an open house if we are often home - which can only happen if we are not often absent / busy. This has been one of the most challenging yet satisfying things we have had to wrestle with over the past 3 years since leaving the life of working full-time in a big church. We choose to be very un-busy. This means we spend most nights at home - sometimes with people, sometimes not... but the door is open if needed.

Allie, I know you won&#039;t get the wrong impression because you know us well, but others might think we are claiming to be totally centred, highly spiritual, deeply sacrificial - martyrs. May others be assured, much of what I am describing is our heart&#039;s desire and well and truly &quot;under constant construction&quot; :-)

btw - i do think a dominant &quot;version&quot; of hospitality that we personally have been sold in the past is one that is not helpful - ie, the one of the perfect host who has to do everything with excellence, because &quot;excellence inspires people and honours God&quot;. Personally I think this has got knobs all over it and is a way we justify trying to one-up each other with outrageous displays of exuberance and self-indulgence (ahhhhhh the days of  VIP rooms and $500 blocks of Margaret River chocolate? ;-) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allie said, &#8220;&#8230;the reason I am interested is because at the end of last year I said to Glenn “Can we not have people over every night of the week next year? My energy levels and our bank account can’t maintain this”</p>
<p>We certainly don&#8217;t invite people over every night, but our home is open for people to come over every night. Although we do have people living with us (and have created an alternative space for them to use as they see fit), we are not actively seeking to fill our space with people at all times. What are doing however, is seeking to maintain a space with an atmosphere of humility, authenticity, joy, celebration&#8230;. ultimately a space where the peace of God reigns.</p>
<p>Now, as you know, any space with young kids will often present more as a place of chaos and constant noise (until bedtime anyway <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) But, this is where the &#8220;don&#8217;t expect me to be perfect&#8221; value comes in. We are who we are, and you are welcome to be who you right alongside us, if you should choose to do so.</p>
<p>The way we try to maintain/protect such a space is two fold:<br />
1. We can only truly love others to the degree that we truly love ourselves. Therefore, centering on God and his love for us allows us to better love ourselves and others, as well as being in a position to receive love from others.</p>
<p>2. We can only offer an open house if we are often home &#8211; which can only happen if we are not often absent / busy. This has been one of the most challenging yet satisfying things we have had to wrestle with over the past 3 years since leaving the life of working full-time in a big church. We choose to be very un-busy. This means we spend most nights at home &#8211; sometimes with people, sometimes not&#8230; but the door is open if needed.</p>
<p>Allie, I know you won&#8217;t get the wrong impression because you know us well, but others might think we are claiming to be totally centred, highly spiritual, deeply sacrificial &#8211; martyrs. May others be assured, much of what I am describing is our heart&#8217;s desire and well and truly &#8220;under constant construction&#8221; <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>btw &#8211; i do think a dominant &#8220;version&#8221; of hospitality that we personally have been sold in the past is one that is not helpful &#8211; ie, the one of the perfect host who has to do everything with excellence, because &#8220;excellence inspires people and honours God&#8221;. Personally I think this has got knobs all over it and is a way we justify trying to one-up each other with outrageous displays of exuberance and self-indulgence (ahhhhhh the days of  VIP rooms and $500 blocks of Margaret River chocolate? <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: otherendup</title>
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		<dc:creator>otherendup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allie... quick lesson in smilies. In succession press semi-colon, dash, right bracket, ie. ; - ) but without spaces. when you publish your post it then becomes the winking smilie. Same thing with a colon instead of a semi-colon will give you a standard smilie.

have fun ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allie&#8230; quick lesson in smilies. In succession press semi-colon, dash, right bracket, ie. ; &#8211; ) but without spaces. when you publish your post it then becomes the winking smilie. Same thing with a colon instead of a semi-colon will give you a standard smilie.</p>
<p>have fun <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lance Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem like semantics are being argued.  Certainly being warm and welcoming is part of the ability to make our space available to others.  Allowing people to wonder my home while I stand like a security guard in the corner of a museum isn&#039;t hospitable at all.

I guess this discussion is revolving around what constitutes proper hospitality.  I am appreciating what Matt is saying in that hospitality is making our space available for people to be who they are.  And, I suppose there is a discipline in receiving hospitality as well.  Are we accepting a person&#039;s generosity because we appreciate the person or because we expect the fatted calf?

Consider the story of Jesus visiting Mary and Martha&#039;s house.  Martha was busy making preparations and Mary was spending time with Jesus.  In my view, there was nothing wrong with Martha making preparations.  But, Martha became so concerned with the preparations that she forgot what she was making preparations for.  She had a guest in her home.  What made matters worse in her mind was that her flatmate Mary didn&#039;t have her priorities.  So, after some time for her frustration to build up, she barked at her guest to scold Mary into helping with those important preparations.  Jesus&#039; response? 

&quot;Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things; but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which will not be taken away from her.&quot;

This has been a good thread for me to read since hospitality is such a vital component of discipleship in the suburbs.  Here is a serious question (serious because I&#039;m not sure) for Hamo, otherendup and all the others participating in this thread.  In the context of this story, what does Jesus mean by the &quot;one thing&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem like semantics are being argued.  Certainly being warm and welcoming is part of the ability to make our space available to others.  Allowing people to wonder my home while I stand like a security guard in the corner of a museum isn&#8217;t hospitable at all.</p>
<p>I guess this discussion is revolving around what constitutes proper hospitality.  I am appreciating what Matt is saying in that hospitality is making our space available for people to be who they are.  And, I suppose there is a discipline in receiving hospitality as well.  Are we accepting a person&#8217;s generosity because we appreciate the person or because we expect the fatted calf?</p>
<p>Consider the story of Jesus visiting Mary and Martha&#8217;s house.  Martha was busy making preparations and Mary was spending time with Jesus.  In my view, there was nothing wrong with Martha making preparations.  But, Martha became so concerned with the preparations that she forgot what she was making preparations for.  She had a guest in her home.  What made matters worse in her mind was that her flatmate Mary didn&#8217;t have her priorities.  So, after some time for her frustration to build up, she barked at her guest to scold Mary into helping with those important preparations.  Jesus&#8217; response? </p>
<p>&#8220;Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things; but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which will not be taken away from her.&#8221;</p>
<p>This has been a good thread for me to read since hospitality is such a vital component of discipleship in the suburbs.  Here is a serious question (serious because I&#8217;m not sure) for Hamo, otherendup and all the others participating in this thread.  In the context of this story, what does Jesus mean by the &#8220;one thing&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Allie Bergsma</title>
		<link>http://www.backyardmissionary.com/2008/02/radical-hospitality-incarnational-mission.html/comment-page-1#comment-117917</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie Bergsma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Matt, the reason I am interested is because at the end of last year I said to Glenn &quot;Can we not have people over every night of the week next year? My energy levels and our bank account can&#039;t maintain this&quot;. And maybe I got so exhausted cos I am looking at hospitality all wrong. What ya reckon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Matt, the reason I am interested is because at the end of last year I said to Glenn &#8220;Can we not have people over every night of the week next year? My energy levels and our bank account can&#8217;t maintain this&#8221;. And maybe I got so exhausted cos I am looking at hospitality all wrong. What ya reckon?</p>
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		<title>By: Allie Bergsma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allie Bergsma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I think we are saying the same thing. I absolutely agree with you that our homes should be safe for people to drop all pretense and be themselves. I think I just interpreted some of the posts (not necessarily yours) as saying &#039;People can come over if they want, but don&#039;t expect me to be nice&#039;. I think what you are saying is &#039;don&#039;t expect me to be perfect&#039;. And I agree. (I would put a smiley face there a la &#039;otherendup&#039; but I don&#039;t know how!) (Sad face).

So can I ask you another question Matty, do you take responsibility for creating a safe space, a refuge within your home? Or do you hope it just happens? Or is it up to whoever is there at the time? Can you take responsibility without taking ownership (in the possessive sense)? Or do we need to drop all these kind of expectations of each other? But then how do we protect the refuge? Would love to hear how you see it. x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I think we are saying the same thing. I absolutely agree with you that our homes should be safe for people to drop all pretense and be themselves. I think I just interpreted some of the posts (not necessarily yours) as saying &#8216;People can come over if they want, but don&#8217;t expect me to be nice&#8217;. I think what you are saying is &#8216;don&#8217;t expect me to be perfect&#8217;. And I agree. (I would put a smiley face there a la &#8216;otherendup&#8217; but I don&#8217;t know how!) (Sad face).</p>
<p>So can I ask you another question Matty, do you take responsibility for creating a safe space, a refuge within your home? Or do you hope it just happens? Or is it up to whoever is there at the time? Can you take responsibility without taking ownership (in the possessive sense)? Or do we need to drop all these kind of expectations of each other? But then how do we protect the refuge? Would love to hear how you see it. x</p>
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		<title>By: otherendup</title>
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		<dc:creator>otherendup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allie, I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re agreeing or disagreeing with me ???? 

People are pretty cluey - they can work out pretty quickly whether they feel safe or not in someone else&#039;s house/space. For example, I doubt you returned often to the sort of houses you referred to.

An open home without an open heart is just a cold dwelling - far from the sort of safe space I&#039;m talking about.

As you know, people come through our house like it was fitted with some sort of revolving door ;-) Our desire is that people would feel safe enough to be themselves - warts and all, and part of encouraging that sort of place, we also need to drop our own masks and efforts to be the perfect hosts all the time. This has been challenging - more so for me than Tam, as I wrestle with the need to be needed ;-) .

We simply try to live in a way that speaks - &quot;you are welcome to share our space as your own&quot; (Mi casa es tu casa - My home is your home). This means we dream of people feeling safe enough to simply &quot;be&quot; - kind of like they would if they were in their own home behind closed doors - where all the social games we often play in front of each other, stop for a moment - a kind of oasis / refuge.

I think we&#039;re saying the same thing though :-) aren&#039;t we????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allie, I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re agreeing or disagreeing with me ???? </p>
<p>People are pretty cluey &#8211; they can work out pretty quickly whether they feel safe or not in someone else&#8217;s house/space. For example, I doubt you returned often to the sort of houses you referred to.</p>
<p>An open home without an open heart is just a cold dwelling &#8211; far from the sort of safe space I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>As you know, people come through our house like it was fitted with some sort of revolving door <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Our desire is that people would feel safe enough to be themselves &#8211; warts and all, and part of encouraging that sort of place, we also need to drop our own masks and efforts to be the perfect hosts all the time. This has been challenging &#8211; more so for me than Tam, as I wrestle with the need to be needed <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>We simply try to live in a way that speaks &#8211; &#8220;you are welcome to share our space as your own&#8221; (Mi casa es tu casa &#8211; My home is your home). This means we dream of people feeling safe enough to simply &#8220;be&#8221; &#8211; kind of like they would if they were in their own home behind closed doors &#8211; where all the social games we often play in front of each other, stop for a moment &#8211; a kind of oasis / refuge.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re saying the same thing though <img src='http://www.backyardmissionary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  aren&#8217;t we????</p>
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