When You’re An Introvert But also Excited…

So what do you do when you’re an introvert and not given to bouts of huge emotion – but you’re also buzzing with joy?

Write a blog post… oh yeah…

This morning Danelle and I worked together on installing some retic together and then when we came home the book I have been working on since March 2020 arrived… What an awesome feeling – to finally see your own ideas in print and ready to go out to the world!

I really am stoked at the end result and excited to finally be at this point.

I’m told I need to move into ‘self promotion’ mode now… That isn’t my sweet spot, so I will be dancing to my own beat in that regard.

But for those who have asked (both of you.. ), (mum and dad…) here it is – good to go… Here is the front and back cover.

The journey started in March 2020 and the book arrived June 2022. I’m not sure when the Amazon link will go up. I think you can buy them from the publisher from this link, but otherwise if you want one drop me an email or FB message and I will post one to you. They worked out at $25 each – not sure what postage will be… But I doubt it will be more than $10.

31 Years And?… Part II


In my last post I was reflecting on the theological shifts I have seen take place (mostly in my own tribe – the Baptists) over the 31 years I have been in pastoral leadership.

Today I thought I’d do the same with the practical or ‘functional’ changes I have seen take place in the church during my time as a pastor.

Now you’d think that these would all be reflections of our theology but let’s be frank – that’s not always going to be the case. Pragmatism wins the day in many cases and we sometimes end up doing what is practical, convenient and maybe even cost efficient rather than what aligns theologically.

So here are some observations as to what has changed in the way churches operate and faith is implemented since the mid 90’s when I started my pastoral work.

The Evening Service has gone…

I remember the days of the morning service being for teaching the ‘meat of the word’ or whatever you like to call it and the evening was the ‘gospel service’ (with the ‘song service’ held 15 minutes before the main gig where you could sing from the brown book without people debating whether choruses belonged in the actual service!).

Then the ‘evening service’ morphed somewhat into the ‘youth service’, however even these are few and far between these days – certainly for your garden variety Baptist churches.

Why? Well I guess it’s a reflection of the cultural landscape. If people are coming to faith then it generally isn’t via the ‘gospel service’ at 7pm on a Sunday evening. It was also a resource drain for many churches and very hard to sustain.

I must admit one of the downsides of the evening service being abandoned is the loss of room for experimentation. Crudely put the morning service is the stock standard meat and potatoes Baptist gig where some experimentation occurs, but generally within very safe bounds and definitely in tiny doses (or the fickle flock may just seek safer pastures).

I have memories of some quite outrageous experimentation in my youth pastor days at Lesmurdie Baptist – and the church community as a whole was richer for it. Perhaps we need to embrace some of that ‘what if?’ spirit into the regular 3×3 with sermon and teach our people to embrace change a little more. I would not advocate for the return of the ‘evening service’ unless it is easily resourced and meets a definite need. Otherwise we end up focusing more of our resources inward and towards the gathering. I can confidently say we do enough of that already…

Let’s Pay Someone to Do That – if ever there was a theological conviction we have done an appallingly poor job of, it would be practicing the priesthood of all believers.

When I began in ministry, churches were in the early days of realising that one sole (male) pastor supported by a dedicated and often over-burdened tribe of volunteers was running out of puff. An increasingly busy world was demanding more time from people so the days of volunteers giving large chunks of time to the church were in steady decline. As we grappled with that reality we resolved the issue by appointing pastors or ministry overseers to do what the volunteers used to do.

We created youth pastors, worship pastors, kids pastors, admin staff, executive pastors, community pastors and so the list goes on. If there was a significant activity that needed someone to drive it then we increasingly moved to paid staff. This wasn’t a bad thing per se so long as the role of the paid staff was oversight and development of those within the ministry. But at times we just paid people to do jobs that we couldn’t find volunteer for. I am guessing it’s a reflection of the shifts in culture that increased demands on people and pulled time away from what they may have given to church service.

I believe the appointment of part time staff members to lead and give oversight has been a positive move by the church, but its always a balancing act between paying people to ‘do’ the ministry or paying people to lead and develop others.

We Play Nicely Together – One of the best initiatives in my whole time as a pastor were the Church Together events, where there was a genuine effort made to bring together the Perth churches for an evening of worship and celebration of simply being the people of God in this place. Alongside these were the prayer summits that ran for a few years and brought together a diverse group of people together around one focus we could mostly agree on – prayer.

As the years have gone on it seems we have done much better at cross denominational initiatives and this has probably occurred as we have allowed some of our overly strict theological boundaries to blur. I grew up believing Anglicans and Catholics were all ‘liberals’ and Pentecostals were all a bit wacky.

We were right. Not at all arrogant…

During the 3 or 4 years I spent as a full time pastor I made every effort to go to cross denominational gathering and nowadays I would have little reservation about being in a room with all manner of Christian leaders. However being a part time pastor, all of the networking stuff basically falls to the bottom of my pile of things to do. So while I believe in the value of the networking I sometimes fear that we can spend more time in this mode than we need to.

Celebritism – one of the truly awful consequences of the ‘professionalisation’ of ministry usually with a view to building a larger church has been the emergence of celebrity pastors. I don’t remember any of this ilk back in the 80’s. (Maybe they were there but I was oblivious.)

Now there are names in church circles that are revered and esteemed more highly than others for their achievements in leading and building larger churches. Bill Hybels was one of the first ‘celebrity’ pastors I remember being awed by (and later deeply disappointed by). Australia seemed to have fewer who could fit this bill, but there were still a few names that would have fitted this definition. Brian Houston is the obvious one but there are some other names that became known in Christian circles – if not wider.

As far as I am aware I have never held this status and I have probably sought to avoid any semblance of it in the last 15 years or so, but I do remember during the days of leading Forge, sitting down to have lunch with the participants in our seminars and having some of that adulation directed at me – their gratitude that a person such as me would choose to sit with them for lunch… Oh dear…

It was one of the things I liked about the culture at Forge – there were no people who hustled off to a better lunch in a nicer room while the plebs all ate Subway. That said there is no denying that someone like Alan Hirsch is in that league these days. I have always appreciated Al’s earthy spirit so I have no doubt he manages the fame well – and if he doesn’t then Deb would tell him to get his hand off it.

Let’s Get Missional… This initiative started with some fairly ragey prophetic stuff that chastised the church for its’ loss of missional focus and pointed to ways we could do church and mission differently. It wasn’t gentle.

I was part of the more acidic tone that characterised the early days of the missional movement in Australia so I have to accept some of the blame for the sometimes unforgiving tone that was part of the language. That said, I’m not sure a tamer, gentler voice would have been heard or paid attention to. Legend has it that one of the first Forge seminars (Forge being a missional training network for the first world) opened with video footage of Hillsong set to the theme music from Titanic. I have it from a reliable source that this didn’t actually happen – but having been around in that time I would suggest it was very believable.

Fortunately the harsh tone mellowed and the important message that the western world was a secular mission field and that the church needed to adjust its’ posture managed to get thru. But, this message came on the tail end of the church growth movement so at times the message of ‘mission’ got conflated with the more pragmatic ‘Field of Dreams’ – if we build it they will come understanding. As a result the ‘sending’ aspect of mission got lost in the easier and more comfortable strategy of trying to tart the church up so more people might attend.

My great fear for the missional movement is that we have adopted the language broadly across denominations, but we have not actually embraced the practice of mission. Everyone is ‘missional’ now – even if they’re not.

And that is a problem…

It’s a problem that courageous leadership may address, but I think we will always struggle to be truly missional while the bulk of our energy is focused on the Sunday event.

Remember the Crusades?! – No – not those ones…

Think Bill Newman and the like – the large evangelistic gatherings where you brought a friend so they could ‘hear the gospel’.

I am fairly sure the day of the preaching evangelist may have gone in the west – again a reflection of a culture that is less easily swayed, but I sense it may also speak to an understanding of the gospel that is broader than a ‘heaven v hell’ moment. It’s not to say there isn’t truth there, but it’s not a methodology I sense bodes well with our culture. I am guessing that some of our larger churches still employ the evangelistic sermon and the altar call, but probably less so than before.

I still remember the Billy Graham satellite crusade around 1992 where churches sought to hire buildings and set up screens so we could watch Billy do his thing. I know the 1959 crusade was incredibly significant to many people, but personally I felt this was largely a waste of time and an insight into how distant we had actually become from our culture.

Of course we could go on to speak of the Impact World Tour that came to Perth around 2003 and was something of an bait and switch evangelistic freak show. I know our local newspaper wrote an extremely negative report in regards to the methodology employed by this crew – but I think it was simply a real clash of of cultures. American hype met Australian disinterest and skepticism and it didn’t end well.

Sexual ethics – You just can’t write a post on significant shifts without commenting on sexual ethics! They have changed. There… that’s it…

Because to write more is to veer into highly contentious territory.

While the most feisty issues seems to relate to LGBQT etc I am curious about what sexual ethics are at play among young hetero unmarrieds. I’m not sure if someone has shifted the goal-posts without me being aware, but is it now considered ok for unmarried Christian singles to share a bed – and have sex – not sleep?…

And if it is then how did that happen?

I feel like this was not an issue of debate when I was a youth pastor. Sex outside of marriage was considered wrong – plain and simple. That said I am sure many of us were ‘technical virgins’. There is a lot that can happen before a penis penetrates a vagina.

So – I sense a shift – but I’m not sure if I am reading that correctly.

When it comes to gender / transgender / LGBT etc stuff I genuinely imagine we will all wonder what the fuss was about in 20-30 years, but for now those of us who read the Bible conservatively can only see what we can see.

I think the challenge will be to hold those views graciously rather than combatively. I don’t really want to get into a fight over this stuff as I find it more complex than can be easily summarised in a blog post.

Online church – so this is now a real thing and another pathway we need to navigate. Of course it’s only been the impact of COVID that has forced our hand on this.

I don’t think there is any question that anyone in our churches could go online right now and find 10 better preachers than the guy who stands up there on Sunday. Podcasts have seen this happening already but now we have whole church services online.

During the 12 week COVID break I did check into other church’s services occasionally but it felt odd – like sitting in someone else’s lounge room uninvited. I imagine online church is here to stay and we have to give some thought to how we navigate this.

There’s no question it helps the isolated, or those who work away, but let’s be honest that it potentially also fosters laziness. Ole mate Andrew Jones is currently exploring all things ‘metaverse’ so no doubt he will be a font of wisdom on this issue when next he lands in Perth.

The Morphing of Youth Ministry? – Ok, I really don’t know what is happening here… but I observe fewer youth pastors emerging and fewer ‘youth groups’ as I used to know it.

I wonder if the larger churches are pulling the crowds and the smaller ones just feel boring by comparison? I wonder if we are seeing young people seeking more interaction with older people and vice versa.

Maybe it’s just my own tribe where the shift is showing, but I get the impression that the ‘youth stream’ once offered by Bible Colleges and seminaries is smaller – if it exists at all.

So this is more of a hunch than a certain observation.

Ok so I’m just gonna finish this post… There are probably another 10 significant shifts I could add or write about but this post is already too long for most people’s 2022 attention span 🙂

If you have read this far then I’d love to hear your own comments and reflections on the shifts and changes that you have observed too.

31 Years And?…

That’s how long I’ve been a pastor. It began with a part time youth pastor gig at my home church in Scarborough which lasted for 5 years. From there we moved to the hills (Lesmurdie Baptist) where we spent 7 years – 5 as a youth pastor and 2 as the pastoral team leader. From there it was a 70km journey to the northern suburbs (Butler) where we planted an experimental missional community for another 6 years. We wound that up in 2009 and joined the Quinns Baptist Church, from which we also planted Yanchep. Along the way there have been numerous other roles that I served in alongside the pastoral gig, but I thought it might be fun to reflect on what I have observed as significant changes in my 31 years of being a paid pastoral worker.

So where to start?…

Why not with the biggie for us ‘Baptists’:

THEOLOGY… I had a woman call recently to enquire about our church. Her concern was that believed the right things. Ok… I could see this wasn’t going to end well.

‘What do you believe about women?’ she asked. Having already told me her previous church context I knew my answer would be ‘wrong’. She asked a few other theological and stylistic questions that eventually had me steer her to a church in our suburb who would satisfy her needs better than we would.

But her questions about theology took me back to a previous era, one that seems so foreign now. what have I observed change over 31 years. Here are a few. Some are ‘practical’ eg spiritual gifts, while others are a little more obtuse.

  1. Spiritual Gifts and Charismata – In my early days of being a pastor John Wimber was new on the scene and his activities were highly contentious for us Baptists. I remember getting grilled at a job interview as to whether I was into all that Toronto stuff… I wasn’t… but I was open and now I was curious! John Wimber and the Vineyard movement spoke to some core stuff we had forgotten in the church – like the kingdom of God (oh yeah – kinda central)… also a more personal connection with God in worship and a focus on the supernatural. Their theological distinctives were a big deal in 1984, but now they are generally accepted fare in most evangelical churches. By and large Baptists are no longer ‘anti-charismatic’ cessationists, whereas this was deeply part of our identity back then. I remember hearing it spoken to charismatic people that they should ‘get their tongue tested’, with the implication being that it may demonic. Harsh. Words of knowledge, prophetic messages and speaking in tongues were all a no go for Baptists in the 80’s. Now there is little concern and general belief that these gifts are valuable in the church.

2. Women. This one is still pretty contentious in many circles as the ‘egalitarian / complementarian’ issue gets debated, but at least it is firmly on the table now and women are being thought of more intentionally for space in the leadership of churches. My daughter is currently living down in the city and seeking a church. I have intentionally swayed her away from those churches that I know still have a complementarian point of view. I don’t want her to start serving only to discover that she is relegated to the B team when it comes to leadership as I believe she has real capacity in this area. So her choice is limited… I heard it said a few years back that of our 120 Baptist churches in WA, women could only preach at 20. That’s an estimate – but even if it’s 30 there is still a way to go on that one. (Of course she doesn’t have to stay in a Baptist gig, but this is the context I am reflecting from primarily)

3. Divorce – This was a big issue -huge in fact – particularly for Christian leaders – now its not. How the heck did that happen?! How did we go from seeing divorced people as pariahs, to now seeing the whole thing as rather unfortunate but ‘oh well play on?… ‘ I remember the first time I heard of someone in my church getting divorced. I was 18 and this man was someone I highly respected. How could this be ?... My own world was shattered a little at this knowledge. It was a big issue for those seeking accreditation in ministry – now its still ‘an issue’ but dealt with more graciously. So what was the shift that resulted in our theology changing? I would suggest (a little cynically I admit) that as more and more pastors and Christian leaders got divorced we needed a rationale to give permission to this. So we adjusted our theology to suit.

That said I think we have adjusted out theology for the good in this area also. Now a woman isn’t expected to stay wed to an abuser just because he hasn’t committed adultery. We have managed to get out heads around the violation of the marriage covenant itself rather than the act of adultery as the only loop-hole.

4. Jesus changed. Yeah really. I grew up in a world where Jesus was distant, inaccessible and removed from the life that I lived. I could never envisage Jesus as someone I could relate to. I feel like we have done a lot more work on communicating Jesus’ humanity. Maybe we have even over corrected – but I am grateful that now Jesus is someone we can actually imagine as a real human being rather than a super-powered other worldly individual who came to visit earth for a little while.

I still remember being severely chastised by an older woman when I was a youth pastor for referring to Jesus and the disciples as blokes. ‘They weren’t blokes. They were men!…’ I could only shake my head in despair. Even at 27 I knew that was religious nonsense. Jesus was not a ‘super-human’ – he was a man… a bloke.

5. Mission – This was a massive shift as we finally accepted that our own country was a mission field. I discovered a clue as to how churches think about mission. When the plural is used i.e. ‘missions’ it is talking about stuff that happens outside of our context, but when ‘mission’ is spoken of it generally starts local and ripples out from thetre.

I found my way into the ‘missional conversation’ back in the early 2000’s around about the time I was also completing the Arrow leadership course. That meant I was getting involved with Alan Hirsch and the Forge tribe at the same time as I was learning how to run the church like a business. It was a massive clash of cultures and while I appreciate that these things simply can’t be mutually exclusive in todays world, I realised I just didn’t buy the business model of church and I couldn’t give my life to it.

Our understanding of mission shifted significantly and what began as a contentious and provocative movement – calling the church to recover it’s missionary identity – eventually became mainstream. Every church has now heard of the idea of being ‘missional’. My great fear is that we have adopted the language, but used it describe what is essentially ‘church growth’ philosophy. We still measure our influence by bums on seats.

Once we allow words to mean things they were never intended to mean we are in serious danger of losing our way. If you think missional means getting more people to come to your church then you need to start over 🙂 Here’s a clue – ‘missio’ comes from the Latin for ‘being sent’… So trying to lure people in is a fail.

6. God’s sovereignty and foreknowledge – This is a complicated subject at the best of times, but I have appreciated those theologians who have made a case for open theism and the potential that God actually doesn’t know every detail of the future, but rather he knows how it will evenutally play out. Perhaps he does know the ‘number of hairs on my head’, but I find the open theist perspective easier to live with than what Scot McKnight refers to as ‘meticulous sovereignty’.

7. Hell – eternal conscious torment was the view I had when I entered ministry at 26 years of age. And my firm commitment to this view was a motivator in some of my evangelistic messages. ‘You don’t want to go to hell!!’ I simply wasn’t aware of other options. Now I would sit in the annhialtionist camp fairly comfortably, but with the hope that the universalists have actually got it right. I sense there is a move in people to rethink some of these more difficult doctrines. At some point we have to reconcile Jesus Christ agreeing to send a finite flawed human being to infinite punishment. It doesn’t smell like Jesus to me…

8. The Bible – I remember the ‘inerrancy’ debates of the 80’s as our denomination fought over this issue. The need to keep the Bible absolutely inerrant is still present in some churches, but I think many now have a more balanced and reasoned perspective. We tend to use words like ‘inspired / God breathed’, ‘reliable’ and ‘authoritative’ – although even there is a debate over that word actually means.

The longer I have read the Bible the less I have found a need for it to be ‘inerrant’ in any way. The simple fact that we have multiple English translations of an ancient Greek document ensures that we will read it differently. Don’t get me wrong – it’s our book and it matters that it contains truth, but let’s not overplay our hand here.

I have had to work thru how we deal with Old testament violence, God appearing to act in unjust ways and various other issues. The old fundamentalist container just couldn’t hold these difficult questions in a way that satisfied me.

9. Creation – 6 days? I have no doubt that God could create a universe in 6 minutes if he wanted to, but I’m not at all convinced that the 6 day creationist view has currency. In my early days of pastoring this was the norm and there were few dissenters. Fortunately, in time, as I attended Bible college, I was able to think differently here. So nowadays I would hold that creation was by God (not sure how long it took or how it happened), but that there is also a process of evolution that we need to come to grips with. Likewise a literal worldwide flood doesn’t have the currency I gave it growing up. Understanding genre was pivotal to allowing these ideas to morph.

10. Atonement – If you were raised (as I was) with penal substitution as the only lens thru which to view this central act of Jesus on the cross then it is difficult to embrace and own other perspectives. That said I have appreciated the work others like Scot Mc’Knight and Greg Boyd have done to allow us to view the atonement from multiple angles rather than just the one.The language of ‘penal substitution’ is our native tongue and it is by far the dominant perception in our churches, but I sense this is also shifting to allow for a broader take on the subject.

11. The church – while my own views on church shifted many years ago I feel like COVID may have done us a massive favour by pushing us into re-imagining our ecclesiology. There are a handful of pastors experimenting with alternative forms and expressions of church, but by and large the dominant mode is for a gathering on a Sunday morning, with 3 fast songs, offering, announcements and any guests followed by 3 slow and a sermon. COVID saw us having church in our homes, in parks and online and we were forced to admit that these types of expressions worked (for some). That said – so many folks are just so innately conditioned to see church as an event that takes place on Sunday mornings in a building with a kids program etc that anything less feels like its not ‘real church’.

I’m sure there are many more theological shifts that have influenced us in the last 31 years, but those are some of the ones that first come to my mind when I consider the question.

What would you add?

Sexual ethics